In the second episode of the new podcast series The Rise of ASEAN in the Era of Multi-Alignment, Dr Brian Wong (University of Hong Kong; CDGA Fellow) speaks with Ambassador Loro Horta (Ambassador of Timor-Leste to China) on the development of Timor-Leste’s economy since independence in 2002, the country’s relationship with China and other world powers, and what the Timorese experience and examples can teach small democracies around the world.

In this inaugural episode of the new podcast series The Rise of ASEAN in the Era of Multi-Alignment, Dr Brian Wong (University of Hong Kong; CDGA Fellow) is in discussion with Gita Wirjawan (former Minister of Trade of Indonesia) on Wirjawan’s new book What It Takes, the role of Indonesia within ASEAN and globally, and the future of South-East Asia.